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saume · Apr 10, 2011, 06:55 AM // 06:55

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Originally Posted by Bristlebane

Do not despair for shortly before the next mass ban, Anet will offer a premium ban recovery protection in the ingame store for only €8.99. This will get you expedited customer support so you can get back your account faster.

lol

on another note, theyre gonna have to add check boxes like when u register on websites in new games soon cos botting is out of hand on all games, that is kinda sad

there is no way to truly detect a bot that uses autoit or w/e similar stuff, simulating clicks and keystrokes, its very hard to make the difference between a bot and a player, considering most 'good' bots if u can even say that have SOMEWHAT randomized inputs... eg the time inbetween clicks will not alwyas be the same and patterns can change a bi, etc.... dont feel nor wanna get into detail

HellScreamS · Apr 10, 2011, 07:46 AM // 07:46

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Originally Posted by TheGizzy

Please elaborate - what point did I make that you are "proving wrong"?

I am in the camp that rarely believes someone has been falsely banned. I've spent too many years listening to "I didn't do anything" as I'm sitting there looking at irrefutable data that proves they did... data demonstrating a consistency in patterns no human being (beyond possibly an autistic savant) COULD replicate.

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Originally Posted by TheGizzy

You said you don't really believe people got falsely banned. And even the company admitted that happened.

TheGizzy · Apr 10, 2011, 08:38 AM // 08:38

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Originally Posted by HellScreamS

You said you don't really believe people got falsely banned. And even the company admitted that happened.

No, I didn't say I don't really believe people get falsely banned. I said I am in the camp that rarely believes someone has been falsely banned.

That's a significant difference.

And considering that I stated very clearly in my post that sometimes real players DO get caught up in a bot banning, that sort of makes your assertion silly.

Every day I get support emails from players claiming they were falsely banned for using bots/macros. In less than 5% of the cases is that actually true. Mistakes can and do happen, and a company that plans to stay in business resolves those mistakes wherever possible... but I could not even count the number of "I'm innocent" emails I've received from players who were ALSO stupid enough to use in-game communication systems to discuss their bot/macro use with others. Or those who are dumb enough to use same/similar user names and are posting on fansites about their bot/macro use one day, then crying about their innocence to me the next because they ended up banned.

So yes, I rarely believe players who claim they were falsely banned for botting.

Rarely is not the same as never.

Shenro · Apr 10, 2011, 09:08 AM // 09:08

Yup Noticed that Too there's Bots at Zos shivros Channel...It's constant.
Following Districts i've Noticed have Botters:
American
Most Europe Districs
Asian Districts

Hell this Seems like standing in the Tombs of the Primevil Kings again During the Halloween Celebration when i recorded 25+Players botting for ectos.

nologic · Jun 26, 2011, 10:09 AM // 10:09

I've seen a few bots in JQ their paths are just the same on the kurzick side from purple to yellow which is pretty obvious I usually play as a ranger there.

It's freaking annoying to see them run around like headless chickens, either a ele or mesmer repeating the same path over and over.

ruk1a · Jun 26, 2011, 02:25 PM // 14:25

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Originally Posted by HellScreamS

and when it's gonna be detected, there's gonna be another ton of innocent players getting banned and having their accounts never restored. Just waitin on my 2nd one'

This is why I stopped farming lol @ this bold stuff, it's fun.

zwei2stein · Jun 26, 2011, 02:35 PM // 14:35

Indded, if you see some are is being heavilly botted, last think you should want do is to load farming build identical to their and join stream of bots running out of outpost.

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Originally Posted by UnicornStampede

You do realize that statistically speaking, the odds of anet not making a mistake in their banning process is very slim. And to top it all off, as soon as you make an appeal, the only response you get is a template saying: "We know you were botting, we consider this matter closed, any more emails will not be responded to." Not saying that there aren't people that lie, i'm just saying it's pretty much impossible for a company (especially anet) to never make a mistake.

Yes, but once you see:

* Players who claim they was just playin too well ("QQ, anet punished me for being too precise in exection of my farm build")
* Players who claims that thier primary account on which he offloaded spoil of thier botting with throwaway accounts was banned unfairly because they did not bot on it.

etc.

It is kinda hard to consider those bans mistakes.

Especially when people try to play "i am major wiki and forum contributor"/"i am veteran who spent lots of money on gw" cards.

UnicornStampede · Jun 26, 2011, 10:23 PM // 22:23

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

Indded, if you see some are is being heavilly botted, last think you should want do is to load farming build identical to their and join stream of bots running out of outpost.

Yes, but once you see:

* Players who claim they was just playin too well ("QQ, anet punished me for being too precise in exection of my farm build")
* Players who claims that thier primary account on which he offloaded spoil of thier botting with throwaway accounts was banned unfairly because they did not bot on it.

etc.

It is kinda hard to consider those bans mistakes.

Especially when people try to play "i am major wiki and forum contributor"/"i am veteran who spent lots of money on gw" cards.

Regardless of them botting, it's almost impossible to get appealed if you are banned for bottting, since all you get is a template saying, we know you were botting, we consider this matter closed, all further emails will be ignored.

It would be like if there was a huge television robbery and all of the residents of a poor neighborhood suddenly has a television. Now multiply this incidence by 10. Now the odds are that they probably stole them, but to arrest everyone in the neighborhood with a television and not hearing their side of the story is absurd.

I'm not saying that banning bots is bad, however the way they dealt with appeals, by completely ignoring them, is shady.

StormDragonZ · Jun 26, 2011, 10:31 PM // 22:31

All this thread told me was that if you're a Mesmer or Necromancer, don't go to Zos Shivros for the time being. If you have to go there, just do what you have to do quickly and don't come back. Specifically, say something random when entering so no one immediately stamps a "you're a botter" mark on you.

If you get banned, make sure you have a screenshot of yourself proving you're a real person and not a downloaded piece of 3rd party data.

Ximvotn · Jun 26, 2011, 11:02 PM // 23:02

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Originally Posted by Lithril Ashwalker

apparently they use autoit which is a macro program meant for business sites....and a dll injector that automatically injects a dll library every time the program is run then when its closed deleted the library....already sent a few methods which they havent detected which are the possibility of how they are botting.

DLL injection was detected and usually results in an instant ban.

To Chicken To Die · Jun 27, 2011, 06:03 PM // 18:03

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Originally Posted by StormDragonZ

All this thread told me was that if you're a Mesmer or Necromancer, don't go to Zos Shivros for the time being. If you have to go there, just do what you have to do quickly and don't come back. Specifically, say something random when entering so no one immediately stamps a "you're a botter" mark on you.

If you get banned, make sure you have a screenshot of yourself proving you're a real person and not a downloaded piece of 3rd party data.

hmm a screeny every day with time and date. nah. I have done most farms and also during times when a banhammer hitted. And I have never been banned for it while having auto mode on and repeating almost the same after countless of runs. And only A-net can do research after botters and will prop have some sort of line were the possibilty is high enough to were a player really is botting ( for example zone in and out with the same delay every time or a detecting a loop) And I doubt that there is one person hitting a random button saying to ban or not to ban 80/20 are the odds. And it's the same with gold sellers cus if there weren't any buyers there wouldn't be sellers :P

Ghosst · Jun 27, 2011, 06:06 PM // 18:06

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

Yes, but once you see:

* Players who claim they was just playin too well ("QQ, anet punished me for being too precise in exection of my farm build")

It is kinda hard to consider those bans mistakes.

Especially when people try to play "i am major wiki and forum contributor"/"i am veteran who spent lots of money on gw" cards.

I personally know someone who hit all three of those points and was told there was, "Undeniable proof", of him being a bot. Fast forward 2 years and being unbanned once their, "undeniable proof", was shown to be false and he still has account issues anytime he wants to farm or add items through the store. It's been nothing but a nightmare for him since he was falsely convicted (not accused because they had, "undeniable proof", but convicted). I'm surprised he even plays at this point.

Back on topic, I agree that for the time being, my mesmer and necromancer will not be visiting Zos Shivros. In game monitoring would be nice but ArenaNet has stated it's not going to happen.

cataphract · Jun 28, 2011, 06:35 AM // 06:35

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Originally Posted by StormDragonZ

If you get banned, make sure you have a screenshot of yourself proving you're a real person and not a downloaded piece of 3rd party data.

Would screenshots really help in this situation? I have, like, 2 GB worth of screenies and fear Support might dismiss them without a glance. All this talk of innocent, random people getting caught under the Ban Hammer has me spooked. The mere thought of losing a 6 year-old account because of an oversight is pretty disturbing.